Mill Valley Real Estate Update

December 9, 2011

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 12:55 pm

Chart Guide: The below charts include a great deal of data. Besides the chart immediately below title Southern Marin Price Index, all charts show annual data, business cycle average and trailing 12 month stats. The business cycle average can be considered a  ”Intrinsic Value” estimate. The years where the county or town was trading above the business cycle average relates to market conditions dominated by optimism/exuberance and the years where it trades under this business cycle average is more dominated by fear/pessimism/uncertainty & restraint. The trailing 12 month data column will eventually meet with the 2011 data column and is a barometer of which direction the market is heading. If the trailing 12 month number is higher than the 2011 number, it means market conditions were generally better at the end of 2010 then they are today.

Mile High: Southern Marin County Price Index is a town-weighted-average by unit sales. Tiburon & Belvedere are having very difficult years (both off -20%) as the high end of the market is still very slow and is dragging this SOMA index to the lowest point in the trailing business cycle (about 7 years). Mill Valley Real Estate prices are only down about 6.6% in 2011.

The below 2 charts show Mill Valley CA homes prices. the first is median price and the second is TDG Price index which is a mixture of average prices, median prices and is a function of the size of the house.

Both charts are telling the same story. Prices are near lows for the business cycle, but trailing 12 is lower than 2011 which means the market is moving in the right direction– aka: the market this time last year was weaker than it is now.

Unit sales is positive. More homes have traded this year than during any of the last 4 years. This is a good sign and a possible indication of improving market conditions and marginally higher prices next year. If the EU can delay imploding for another 6 months or a year (its inevitable), Spring 2012 will be a good one for Marin County home sales.

SMREB & TheDuPontGroup.net is the only place I have found anywhere online that has compiled lot values for the markets in which we operate. The below chart shows average lot values for Mill Valley. This should be compared with the chart underneath it which shows the value of just the structure of homes in Mill Valley without considering the lot/location value. By examining these two charts together we can see that the distress in the market in the form of short sales and REOs is pulling down structure values more than lot values– and that the trend is favoring lot value over structure value. However, this can be interpreted a number of different ways. Please call for more info.

The most misunderstood market statistic is the below chart selling: $/sqft. Buyers should never try to compare homes by this barometer especially in locations where architecture and lot/locations vary greatly as they do in Marin County. The greatest repository of home value is lot/location which is not explained well at all by selling $/sqft. That said it is a great statistic to compare market-wide health and direction. As you see below, homes are trading a news lows for the business cycle by selling $/sqft.

Earning Your Business

The purpose of this Southern Marin Real Estate Blog is to offer greater insight into our local real estate markets than you can find anywhere else– to help you make better decisions for yourselves and your family. The research found in these pages is my competitive advantage in this market. I have yet to find a rational buyer who doesn’t respond to this data; remember most buyers emotionally want to buy a house– they just don’t understand the value proposition. You deserve a agent to represent you on either side of the transaction that has done  their homework.  If you are thinking about listing or buying a home all I ask is that you include me in your interviewing process.

Thank you & Happy Holidays!

Dave DuPont MBA, CFP


Mill Valley CA Real Estate Data Q2 2011

July 3, 2011

Filed under: 2. Southern Marin,Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 11:40 am

 
Local jobs and salaries drive trends in local real estate sales & prices. The more recent the “comp”, the less it tells us about long term trends in valuation, and the more it tells us about buyer psyche and current market value. At the top of the market homes were trading no closer to their inherent value than they were at the bottom of the recession. Mill Valley is currently trading about 11% below “fair value in a balanced market” (FVBM) .
In a typical year during the last business cycle (2004-present) 310 SFR homes trade in Mill Valley with median price around $1.14m or $524/sqft. We are currently running below that pace. Mill Valley and all S. Marin towns are still struggling. The bright side is there is liquidity in the market and jobs in SF.

23% of listed homes are in contract a bit less than normal for this time of year.

As you scan the data below please consider that we compile all this data personally. We don’t buy it and paste it here. Your choice to work with us will save you money as the incredible time commitment required to assemble and publish this data each quarter results in much stronger and more dynamic negotiations which ultimately benefit you whether you’re a buyer or a seller.

The DuPont Group is a dynamic real estate team active in Southern and Central Marin communities. Dave received his MBA from Pepperdine University and is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP). Please call or email us anytime for more information.


Mill Valley Real Estate Update Q1 2011

April 13, 2011

Filed under: 2. Southern Marin,Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 12:47 pm

Mill Valley Real Estate Trends
Employment leads real estate which is why it is so important to measure regional economic data together with statistical trends to find opportunities or anomalies in our markets. The more recent the “comp” the less it tells us about these trends in real worth, and the more it tells us about buyer psyche and current market value. From this perspective at the top of the market homes were trading no closer to their inherent value than they were at the bottom of the recession. We use a full business cycle of data to determine “fair value” and trailing 12 month data to show where homes are trading in relation to fair value.

For most towns of Marin County including Mill Valley, the outlook for real estate is fair—which is very good relative to most other places in the nation. The market for Commercial office space is picking up in San Francisco and this foreshadows new jobs and greater demand in 6-12 months. The current double dip we are seeing in prices in Marin is more reflective of the cost of construction, the dated nature of many homes and sellers of those dated homes becoming acclimated to the new pricing structure—i.e. dated homes are selling closer to lot value given the costs inherent in bringing them up to current trends in buyers tastes and wants. In many case the cost of tearing down and rebuilding is only 20-30% greater than the costs of remodel.

In a typical year during the last business cycle (2004-present) 305 SFR homes traded in Mill Valley with median price around $1.14m or 524$sqft. We are currently running about 13% below that on price and about 20% below on unit sales. Mill Valley and all Southern Marin towns are still clearly struggling. The bright side is that they are struggling less than other Marin towns and there is liquidity in the market and jobs in San Francisco. There are many other places in the nation and world much worse off, and very few that have our stability, lifestyle and career opportunities. The trend of marginal recovery will likely continue barring any other major shocks.

As you scan the data below please consider that we compile all this data personally. We don’t buy it and paste it here. Your choice to work with us will save you money as the incredible time commitment required to assemble and publish this data each quarter results in much stronger and more dynamic negotiations which ultimately benefit you whether you’re a buyer or a seller.

27% of the homes on the market are in contract. This is representative of balanced market.

The % in contract above and unit sale data below is very important. This is the “recovery” we are talking about. Its all about liquidity– sellers able to find buyers and keeping homes out of foreclosure. Many parts of the county do not have this kind of liquidity and the result is that 1 in 24 homes are in foreclosure and in many areas like Reno, Sacramento, Boise and many small cities in Florida the number is 1 in 10 homes in foreclosure.  When you measure our real estate market in relation to those what you see is a recovering market here in Marin confirmed by commercial real estate movements in San Francisco and new jobs on the horizen.

It doesn’t take much to scare the turtle back into its shell and that is exactly what happened. this was  a blip exacerbated by several global events including revolution in the middle east and the resulting spike of oil, earthquake and tsunami in Japan. The national real estate data especially for new home sales and non-core cities certainly hasn’t helped. In a deflationary cycle everyone waits to buy homes. The strange characterisitc in this cycle is that inflation is already here in food, energy, health care, education; almost everything but housing. And the pace of inflation is likely to start accelerating in the next few years.

The dichotomy of core and non-core markets will likely continue for several years as the changes to our economy over the last several decades (from manufacturing to service industries) has left tertiary cities and rural locations with few economic opportunities.

Q1 2011 is starting off well by unit sales, but price in Mill Valley is now approaching post recession lows. Selling $/sqft is at post recession lows. Many homes have been sitting on the market– either officilally listed on the MLS or as “Pocket Listings” for several years and just now finding buyers and equilibrium prices. On the one hand one could say that prices hit new lows (which is true) on the other hand you could also show that prices haven’t changed in the last year, it just that more sellers of dated homes have finally gotten realistic about price and are accepting those prices.

**The line graphs data below and orange bar graphs above represent RESI prices which includes Condos and Single family homes. The green bar graphs represent only Single Family homes without condo prices.***

The green bar graphs below are just SFR homes data. The above data incluses CONDO data as well.

The TDG Price index below is a combination of median prices, average prices, $/sqft and home size ans is more telling than either average or median prices alone. By this measure the trailing 12 month data is slightly worse than 2010 data which is fairly normal as the winter is always slow with weaker demand/prices, and the trailing 12 months data at the end of Q1 includes 2 winter periods. I think prices with bounce given the liquidity in the market, the activity in SF resi, and commercial real estate activity in SF.

2003-2007: The good old days for sellers (and realtors) in Mill Valley.

The DuPont Group is a dynamic real estate team active in Southern and Central Marin communities. Dave received his MBA from Pepperdine University and is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP). Please call or email us anytime for more information.


Mill Valley CA Real Estate – Q4 & 2010 Review

December 15, 2010

Filed under: 2. Southern Marin,Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 11:26 am

Mill Valley CA Real Estate 2010 Review:

 The entry level of the market ($1.25m and below), like most areas in Marin, is brisk with 43% of the inventory in contract! Well priced Mill Valley homes are selling quickly. The big news is the middle market ($1.25-$1.85) has improved. There are 30 homes on the market, and approx. 38% in contract. This is a big change for the Mill Valley CA Resl Estate middle market. The high end is relatively slow but as the sales on the facing page show: 6 sales over $3m and one over $5.5m!

 Average SFR Mill Valley Homes are selling just under $550/sqft. The average Mill Valley SFR selling price is approximately $1.25m, average lot values are ~ $450k.

It took about 85 days to sell Mill Valley CA homes in 2010. The average size home to sell in Mill Valley is 2,272sqft. Indexed 1999 incomes support prices in the ~$1.37m range. CONDO data: Price -5%, unit sales -13%, $/sqft = $448, -5%. See data below

Last, we spend a great deal of time researching these statistics. It is our competitive edge in the marketplace for your benefit– as we very often use this data to support our price negotiations. We work harder than other agents on this data primarily because want to earn your business. Please call or email us us today. 415-867-6611 Dave@thedupontgroup.net .

 Happy Holidays & New Year!

Mill Valley real estate sets the standard by which all suburb / commuter towns should be measured: it is extremely family friendly, has great weather year-around, a fantastic selection of public and private schools, a plethora of nearby family activities to choose from, great restaurants, is close to a major urban center with a diverse economy and broad selection of corporate and non-corporate jobs; and as one resident aptly noted “it is close to everything I love to do!” Above all, Mill Valley is sophisticated town and a great place to raise a family. Due to the current economic  slump and pull back in real estate prices, You can find Mill Valley property in most price ranges ranging from condos for $400,000 to small homes starting in the high $500,000’s.

Nestled on the slopes of Mount Tamalpias amidst groves of Sequoia Redwood Trees, Mill Valley homes are spread out around a small town center with a rich heritage and colorful community. Like almost all of Marin County, Mill Valley property was originally home to Miwok Indians. In the late 1830′s, a large part of present day Tiburon, Corte Madera and Mill Valley Real Estate was granted to settler John Reed.

Reed was born in Dublin in 1805, and went to sea with a seafaring uncle at 15. He left the ship at Acapulco, where he stayed for six years, learning to speak Spanish fluently, before sailing north to Yerba Buena-later to be named San Francisco. Having befriended many influential people along his journeys, he was eventually issued a land grant from the Mexican government near present day Santa Rosa. Unfortunately the Cotate Indians drove him back to the relative safety of Southern Marin where he married the commandant’s daughter and was awarded another land grant-what is most of modern day Tiburon, Corte Madera and Mill Valley CA.

Reed harvested trees from Corte Madera and Tiburon for use in the Presidio and built a mill in a nearby valley-”Old Mill” in the area later named “Mill Valley”.

To find more about Mill Valley CA real estate, and Mill Valley property, please click search for homes.

Proximity to Everything

Mill Valley property’s proximity to San Francisco homes, neighborhoods & jobs, coastal mountains, beaches, boating in the SF bay, Napa and Sonoma wine country, typically attracts outdoor-oriented people who play as hard or harder than they work.

Mill Valley homes are also centrally located in Marin Real Estate– fairly equidistant from Sausalito, Tiburon, Corte Madera, Larkspur and Kentfield; and approximately equidistant from San Francisco, Ross, San Anselmo, San Rafael and Fairfax. This characteristic lends itself to evening and weekend sojourns to other nearby towns for movies, dinners, tennis and swim clubbing, and public parks / open space access. Nothing in Marin– or San Francisco for that matter– is really “too far away” from Mill Valley.

Neighborhoods

Mill Valley properties are comprised of many different neighborhoods located both within the “incorporated” town of Mill Valley as well as other parts that are “unincorporated” such as Strawberry, Tam Valley, parts of Homestead Valley etc. When looking for homes in Mill Valley it is important to work with a local realtor that knows the intricacies and characteristics of the neighborhoods-such as the weather and traffic patterns and public school system access.

Non rush hour driving time to downtown San Francisco, ranges from 20 to 25 minutes without traffic.

Family Friendly

If you are looking for a healthy, safe place that is conducive to raising a family-homes in Mill Valley are a great choice!

  • There are a plethora of family-oriented restaurants (the ones that aren’t, still are during the ‘early shift’)
  • Plenty of movie theaters with kids programming,
  • Open spaces for community and school team sports.
  • A great selection of both private and public schools (public school choice differs by neighborhood) see “Mill Valley Schools link”
  • Large number of nearby family activities-see link
  • Local Support organizations for parents

Interesting Statistics

  • Population (2005): 13,000
  • Median resident age: 45
  • Average household income (2005): $156,100

Great Weather

The weather year-round in Mill Valley is fantastic-and if someone has told you that we don’t have seasons-don’t believe them, especially if you spend time in the Sierras / Lake Tahoe area 3 hours away. Spring in Mill Valley is characterized by breezy wider ranging temperatures with typical lows in the high forties and highs in the upper sixties to lower 70′s. Summer is generally characterized by higher low temps-low mid to 50′s and temperamental highs ranging from breezy 60′s to gorgeous 80′s. Fall is generally the best weather of the year and even warmer than summer. Winter runs the gamut from cold, clear nights, sometimes (though not often) reaching below freezing, to strong pacific storms that bring rain (and heavy snowfalls to the Sierras), and beautiful winter days that typically reach into the low 60′s and sometimes higher. Almost every winter you can count on a string beautiful January and/or February days in the 60s. The more outdoor activities one enjoys (think sailing, surfing and snow), the more conscious one is of our wonderful seasons and changing weather patterns.


Q3 Mill Valley CA Real Estate Review

October 5, 2010

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 3:03 pm

 


Mill Valley CA Real Estate: Fall 2010 Update

August 20, 2010

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 5:14 pm

Mill Valley has four market segments: the entry level, middle market, higher end and the ultra high end; ultra high end buyers in MV are almost non-existent now. The entry level of the market ($1.25m and below), like most areas in Marin, is brisk. Well priced homes are selling quickly. Both the middle market ($1.25-$1.85) and the high end ($1.85m+) are similar: very slow! There are 40 or so home on the market in both segments, and approx. 7% in contract in each segment. SLOW! There’ve been 37 sales year to date in the middle market and 30 in the high end. All else being equal the middle market is having the worst relative year in Mill Valley. The graph below and sales on the facing page tell the story. 

Average Mill Valley selling $/sqft is $550 and $661 for the top half of the market.

Please reference our main website www.thedupontgroup.net or call Dave 415-867-6611 for more information.


Mill Valley CA Real Estate Update

May 20, 2010

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 7:23 am

Mill Valley Real Estate has had a decent 6 months. Activity in the lower market segments really increased, many homes were sold, and families were able to move on with their lives. Like other areas in the area, state & nation many homes were purchased based on assumptions which turned out to be incorrect, and on a financial paradigms that proved faulty:

Example of mistaken assumptions & a broken Paradigm:

  • A lot was purchased with a tear down on it for $995,000 up near the Edgewood area of Mill Valley.
  • At the time everyone said it was a “fantastic deal.”
  • A new 3,250sqft house was built that cost $435/sqft to build during peak market conditions.
  • Additionally the owners spent about $200,000 on hardscape, landscaping and architecture and are into the house for about $2.6m.
  • While it is a beautiful house with a wonderful floor plan for a family, it is of average finish and quality due simply to the cost of materials at the height of the bubble.
  • The family had two incomes, but the husband was transferred back east by his company. He said no, left the company, and started looking for work… but it was slow going.
  • They put the house on the market at $2.7m so after commissions they would be “almost whole” not including any compensation for the endless hours, & marriage and family stress of selecting and designing items.
  • They are now getting offers in the mid $2.2m range.
  • The house will eventually sell near that $2.2 number and after commissions will result in a $400-$500,000 loss…. not to mention all the time and energy wasted with architects, designers and selecting door knobs.

Last year saw a tremendous number of situations very similar to above. Mill Valley average home prices tanked just over -20%. Most of the sales that drove down average prices were in the bottom 2 quartiles of price in Mill Valley– the upper market homes mostly sat and got dusty.

Activity in the upper market however has continued to be sporadic but now there are at least homes selling—the ones priced to sell. All the other homes are priced to “get my money out” — these homes aren’t selling in this market. Sellers are advised to wait 3-5 years to sell higher priced homes as you will have a difficult time getting your money out in this market.

The assumption that someone will eventually come along and buy it doesn’t work in a declining market the way it works in an rising market. In a rising market, the longer you wait the better your chances are regardless of how many days on market. In a declining market the longer you wait for Mr & Mrs. Right, the lower your eventual sales price will be.

While recent data for Mill Valley SFR homes is improving– +8% for the year relative to the last 12 months, this is the kind of bounce you would expect this time of year anyway and so at best we are mildly improving. The likely path moving forward depends on the direction of the stock market as it will lead the employment markets and housing in all price ranges.

One way to hedge price decreases in your home: go short the S&P 500 (this should not be considered as investment advice or financial planning advice). Please speak with your investment advisor and if you don’t have one, please try to find one.

“Jake Schutt at Parallel Advisors (www.paralleladvisors.com) says that first: you should have a financial plan in place and know how you are tracking against your goals. This also puts portfolio gains and losses in meaningful context. Second, a diversified portfolio with the proper allocation will protect you against downturns.”

Recent market data of homes in contract in Mill Valley:

Mill Valley condo prices are seeing a 2% bounce relative to the last preceeding 12 months.


Mill Valley Update

April 30, 2010

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 6:26 am

4/30/10:   The data has worsened slightly in the last month in Mill Valley CA Real Estate. 25% of the current homes for sale are in contract versus 26% 30 +- days ago. On the surface, this represents a balanced market. However, if you remove short sales and homes that are in contract on a contingent  basis, my guess is that the actual number of home in active contracts is just under 20%– which is still better than it was most of last year, but still fairly weak.

Mill valley is off about 22% from peak 2007 prices– the second most in Southern Marin behind Sausalito which is down 30%+ from peak 2007 prices. This has created greater liquidity and facilitated the many home sales that have taken place particulkarly in bottom 2 quartiles of the market over the last 4-5 months.

The general feeling on the street is that things are fairly slow– best in Southern Marin, but still slow. The only buyers with any urgency to buy right now are families with kids.

 This site works in conjuctuion with www.thedupontgroup.net our primary website and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to call me 415-867-6611.


Mill Valley CA Real Estate Q1 Update

April 2, 2010

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 1:04 pm

The Spring 2010 market is off to a roaring start. The momentum started late in 2009 in the lower market segments (bottom 2 price quartiles of each town) and has continued in those market segments. The health of any real estate market originates in the lower market segments and slowly ripples up the price spectrum until at the end of the cycle the top of the market peaks when the lower end has already started contracting—as happened in the last cycle. While average, median & $/SQFT price trends are marginally improving, unit sales are seeing a greater bounce.

Please start by reading the Marin Update:  at right click “Marin Update”.

Additional information regarding Mill Valley CA Real Estate can we found on www.TheDuPontGroup.net , our groups primary website.


Mill Valley CA Real Estate Market 2009 Review

February 11, 2010

Filed under: Mill Valley — dwdupont @ 7:04 pm

Marin Real Estate
In the last 44 years, there have been only two years (excluding 2008 & 2009) when average home prices in Marin County have decreased from one year to the next: -1.2% in 1991 and -1.4% in 1992– after the S&L crisis.

Marin County average residential home prices fell -12.7% in 2008 and -21% in 2009.  

 A unit-sale weighted average of Southern, Central & Northern Marin show Southern Marin prices are down -17.4%, Central Marin down -13.1%, and Northern Marin down -18.4% from 2008 levels.

For much more more information from a mile high perspective please see right nav bar, click & read “Marin Update”.

Mill Valley Real Estate
For several months now the low end of Mill Valley Homes: or those under $1.25m have been really active. The same goes for almost every town in Marin except Sausalito– and the reason is that the buyers in the marketplace with the most urgency to buy right now are mainly families moving either out of San Francisco or relocating here and wanting a decent public school system within close proximity to the San Francisco job market.

The big change in the marketplace in Mill Valley is the middle market and high end are all of a sudden very active– showing 33% of the homes on the market in contract. There is clearly a surge in demand hitting the marketplace and lets all hope it continues thru the summer. Sellers are advised to rush their properties to the market to benefit from this surge in demand– I do not forsee it continuing through the summer.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Current Inventory Data

Mill Valley Real Estate Inventory Graph 2/25/10

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Current Inventory Data 2

Mill Valley Real Estate Inventory Bar Graph 2/25/10

Please see the below information and call Dave DuPont for further insight 415-867-6611.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Quarterly Data

Mill Valley Average Price By Q4

Unit Sales are seeing a rebound when compared to the last two 4th quaters. But if you look at several graphs below of unit sales by year we see that the improvement in the 4th quarter of 2009 was really just pent-up demand that brought us back in line with 2008 unit sales and far off the pace of 2007.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Quarterly Data 2

Mill Valley Quarterly Q4 Unit Sales

The below graph is very telling. Selling $/sqft are 19% off 2008 levels and 23.5% off 2007 levels.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Quarterly Data 3

Mill Valley Quarterly Q4 $/SQFT Data

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Quarterly Data 3

Mill Valley Quarterly Q4 $/SQFT Line Graph

In the shape of a bubble…

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Quarterly Data 4

Mill Valley Quarterly Q4 Average Prices

Mill Valley is a seasonal market…

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Quarterly Data 5

Mill Valley Quarterly Q4 Unit Sales

One way to look at it is that Mill Valley is back to 2003-2004 level prices. However– I hear this frequently in the marketplace but it doesn’t really mean anything– we could be going back to 1997 prices. The truth is that people who purchase homes in Marin anywhere near these levels will be just fine– its all about finding the righ home at a decent priceand having a 3-5 time horizon.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Annual Home Sale Data

Mill Valley Annual Average Prices

Median prices are down less than average home prices– which means the spread between them is narrowing which means the lower segments of the market are more active than the higher segments.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Annual Home Sale Data 2

Mill Valley Annual Median Prices

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Annual Home Sale Data 2

Mill Valley Annual SFR Unit Sales

Mill Valley CA Real Estate  8 year Annual Home Sale Data

Mill Valley 8 Year Sales Data Annual Change

Long term home price appreciation is driven by incomes and jobs first and foremost, and interest rates secondarily.

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Census & Income Data

Mill Valley CA Real Estate Census & Income Data 2

Mill Valley CA Real Estate 35 year price trends

In 2008 and 2009, Dave and the DuPont Group are leading agents in Marin County Real Estate. Since the recession began in earnest in 2008, Dave personally closed over 36 sales and $47m in real estate sales, and his group has closed over $60m. For 2 years running Dave has sold more homes than any other agent at DB Sotheby’s Intl Realty. The data in these pages represents the extra mile we go for clients and is our competitive advantage over other agents in all parts of Marin. Now is not the time to select an agent to represent you because they are a friend or even because they may have represented you in the past. The work habits most realtors has evolved over the past 20 years are not translating well into selling homes in today’s real estate environment where home buyers make decisions because of financial considerations as opposed to emotional ones.

Dave is a Certified Financial Planner (CFP), Certified Financial Manager (CFM), received his MBA from Pepperdine University, a CA real estate broker and worked for approximately 10 years in the San Francisco financial district. This Blog works in conjunction with The DuPont Groups primary web site.

Please call me to discuss this information in more detail 415-867-6611 – Dave


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